127292 2014-01-20 08:18:11 -0800 AX: SVG <desc> element not presented by screen reader 2014-04-01 23:57:21 -0700 1 1 1 Unclassified WebKit Accessibility 528+ (Nightly build) All All RESOLVED DUPLICATE 54357 InRadar P2 Normal --- 120709 1 krit webkit-unassigned cfleizach jcraig webkit-bug-importer oldest_to_newest 969845 0 221660 krit 2014-01-20 08:18:11 -0800 Created attachment 221660 Example <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> <desc>A black circle.</desc> <circle cx="50" cy="50" r="50"/> </svg> The desc element in the example above is ignored. SVGElement has a method called title() for scanning for <title> elements. SVGDescElement has a method called description() that can be used. Chris, James: What is the preferred way for AX to read the description? 969850 1 webkit-bug-importer 2014-01-20 08:28:59 -0800 <rdar://problem/15858877> 969859 2 cfleizach 2014-01-20 08:54:33 -0800 (In reply to comment #0) > Created an attachment (id=221660) [details] > Example > > <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> > <desc>A black circle.</desc> > <circle cx="50" cy="50" r="50"/> > </svg> > > The desc element in the example above is ignored. SVGElement has a method called title() for scanning for <title> elements. > > SVGDescElement has a method called description() that can be used. > > Chris, James: What is the preferred way for AX to read the description? I think this would probably end up being exposed in the accessibilityDescription() method (on the mac it would be AXDescription) 969875 3 krit 2014-01-20 09:19:00 -0800 (In reply to comment #2) > (In reply to comment #0) > > Created an attachment (id=221660) [details] [details] > > Example > > > > <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> > > <desc>A black circle.</desc> > > <circle cx="50" cy="50" r="50"/> > > </svg> > > > > The desc element in the example above is ignored. SVGElement has a method called title() for scanning for <title> elements. > > > > SVGDescElement has a method called description() that can be used. > > > > Chris, James: What is the preferred way for AX to read the description? > > I think this would probably end up being exposed in the accessibilityDescription() method (on the mac it would be AXDescription) Hm, there is a AXDescriptionList object that I could find. Do you mean String AccessibilityNodeObject::accessibilityDescription() const ? This one is currently using the title element instead of the desc element. This probably should not be the case. The title attribute is more similar to the title attribute on <a> link tag I assume. Should it be relinked? 969877 4 cfleizach 2014-01-20 09:20:19 -0800 (In reply to comment #3) > (In reply to comment #2) > > (In reply to comment #0) > > > Created an attachment (id=221660) [details] [details] [details] > > > Example > > > > > > <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> > > > <desc>A black circle.</desc> > > > <circle cx="50" cy="50" r="50"/> > > > </svg> > > > > > > The desc element in the example above is ignored. SVGElement has a method called title() for scanning for <title> elements. > > > > > > SVGDescElement has a method called description() that can be used. > > > > > > Chris, James: What is the preferred way for AX to read the description? > > > > I think this would probably end up being exposed in the accessibilityDescription() method (on the mac it would be AXDescription) > > Hm, there is a AXDescriptionList object that I could find. Do you mean > > String AccessibilityNodeObject::accessibilityDescription() const > > ? > > This one is currently using the title element instead of the desc element. This probably should not be the case. > > The title attribute is more similar to the title attribute on <a> link tag I assume. Should it be relinked? In that case it sounds like <title> should go to helpText() and <desc> should go to accessibilityDescription 969907 5 krit 2014-01-20 10:23:55 -0800 (In reply to comment #4) > (In reply to comment #3) > > (In reply to comment #2) > > > (In reply to comment #0) > > > > Created an attachment (id=221660) [details] [details] [details] [details] > > > > Example > > > > > > > > <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> > > > > <desc>A black circle.</desc> > > > > <circle cx="50" cy="50" r="50"/> > > > > </svg> > > > > > > > > The desc element in the example above is ignored. SVGElement has a method called title() for scanning for <title> elements. > > > > > > > > SVGDescElement has a method called description() that can be used. > > > > > > > > Chris, James: What is the preferred way for AX to read the description? > > > > > > I think this would probably end up being exposed in the accessibilityDescription() method (on the mac it would be AXDescription) > > > > Hm, there is a AXDescriptionList object that I could find. Do you mean > > > > String AccessibilityNodeObject::accessibilityDescription() const > > > > ? > > > > This one is currently using the title element instead of the desc element. This probably should not be the case. > > > > The title attribute is more similar to the title attribute on <a> link tag I assume. Should it be relinked? > > In that case it sounds like <title> should go to helpText() and <desc> should go to accessibilityDescription Just to confirm... helpText() would still be read by the screen reader? So: <svg> <title>Title</title> <desc>A long description</desc> </svg> would result in reading both, the title and the description as it should be done for the example above? 969915 6 cfleizach 2014-01-20 10:45:03 -0800 (In reply to comment #5) > (In reply to comment #4) > > (In reply to comment #3) > > > (In reply to comment #2) > > > > (In reply to comment #0) > > > > > Created an attachment (id=221660) [details] [details] [details] [details] [details] > > > > > Example > > > > > > > > > > <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> > > > > > <desc>A black circle.</desc> > > > > > <circle cx="50" cy="50" r="50"/> > > > > > </svg> > > > > > > > > > > The desc element in the example above is ignored. SVGElement has a method called title() for scanning for <title> elements. > > > > > > > > > > SVGDescElement has a method called description() that can be used. > > > > > > > > > > Chris, James: What is the preferred way for AX to read the description? > > > > > > > > I think this would probably end up being exposed in the accessibilityDescription() method (on the mac it would be AXDescription) > > > > > > Hm, there is a AXDescriptionList object that I could find. Do you mean > > > > > > String AccessibilityNodeObject::accessibilityDescription() const > > > > > > ? > > > > > > This one is currently using the title element instead of the desc element. This probably should not be the case. > > > > > > The title attribute is more similar to the title attribute on <a> link tag I assume. Should it be relinked? > > > > In that case it sounds like <title> should go to helpText() and <desc> should go to accessibilityDescription > > > Just to confirm... helpText() would still be read by the screen reader? > > So: > > <svg> > <title>Title</title> > <desc>A long description</desc> > </svg> > > would result in reading both, the title and the description as it should be done for the example above? Yes. Generally, the user would hear "A long description" immediately and then followed by a pause and hear "Title" if we follow these guidelines we're talking about It would be similar to <a href="#" aria-label="LABEL" title="TITLE"> You'd hear "LABEL" pause "TITLE" 969923 7 krit 2014-01-20 11:03:53 -0800 > > <svg> > > <title>Title</title> > > <desc>A long description</desc> > > </svg> > > > > would result in reading both, the title and the description as it should be done for the example above? > > Yes. Generally, the user would hear "A long description" immediately and then followed by a pause and hear "Title" if we follow these guidelines we're talking about > > It would be similar to > > <a href="#" aria-label="LABEL" title="TITLE"> > > You'd hear "LABEL" pause "TITLE" Good that I asked again. I don't think that the order is correct: http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/NOTE-SVG-access-20000807/#Structured Should be first title then description. title is like a header or naming. Is there anything else that matches the description? http://blog.paciellogroup.com/2013/12/using-aria-enhance-svg-accessibility/ Suggests title = accessible name desc = accessible description 996604 8 jcraig 2014-04-01 23:50:40 -0700 Isn't this a dupe of bug 54357? *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 54357 *** 221660 2014-01-20 08:18:11 -0800 2014-01-20 08:18:11 -0800 Example a11y-2.svg image/svg+xml 113 krit PHN2ZyB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPgoJPGRlc2M+QSBibGFjayBj aXJjbGUuPC9kZXNjPgoJPGNpcmNsZSBjeD0iNTAiIGN5PSI1MCIgcj0iNTAiLz4KPC9zdmc+Cgo=